Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/14/2004 01:45 PM House JUD

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HB 427 - PROTECTION OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1160                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  427,  "An Act  relating  to  guardianships  and                                                               
conservatorships,  to  the  public  guardian and  the  office  of                                                               
public advocacy,  to private  professional guardians  and private                                                               
professional  conservators,  to court  visitors,  court-appointed                                                               
attorneys,  guardians  ad  litem,  and fiduciaries,  and  to  the                                                               
protection  of the  person or  property  of certain  individuals,                                                               
including minors;  amending Rules  16(f) and 17(e),  Alaska Rules                                                               
of  Probate  Procedure; and  providing  for  an effective  date."                                                               
[Before the committee was CSHB 427(HES).]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1129                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON, sponsor,  made  a motion  to adopt  the                                                               
proposed  committee  substitute  (CS)  for HB  427,  Version  23-                                                               
LS1627\I, Bannister, 4/14/04, as the  work draft.  There being no                                                               
objection, Version I was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON  explained  that Version  I  encompasses                                                               
changes and  recommendations made in the  House Health, Education                                                               
and Social  Services Standing Committee.   He offered  his belief                                                               
that HB  427 will go  a long way towards  preventing exploitation                                                               
and   mistreatment  of   vulnerable   and  incapacitated   adults                                                               
receiving the services of a  private guardian or conservator, and                                                               
relayed  that it  was drafted  with input  from the  Alaska State                                                               
Association for  Guardianship and  Advocacy (ASAGA)  Inc., Office                                                               
of Public  Advocacy (OPA), Adult  Protective Services,  Office of                                                               
the Long Term Care Ombudsman,  Disability Law Center [of Alaska],                                                               
Senior Advocacy Coalition, and [judicial branch of government].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON  mentioned that professional  guardians -                                                               
both private and  public - and family  guardians provide services                                                               
to approximately 2,500 disabled,  vulnerable, Alaskan adults.  He                                                               
noted that under current law,  private guardians and conservators                                                               
-  individuals with  the responsibility  to make  housing, legal,                                                               
and medical decisions for the  disabled, infirm mentally ill, and                                                               
seniors -  are completely unregulated  by the state.   Many other                                                               
states   regulate  private   guardians,   he  remarked,   because                                                               
vulnerable  and  incapacitated adults  are  easy  prey for  those                                                               
wishing to exploit them.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON  said  that  HB  427  grants  the  state                                                               
regulatory  authority over  private  guardians and  conservators,                                                               
and   establishes  minimum   qualification   standards.     State                                                               
oversight,   he  opined,   will   ensure   that  vulnerable   and                                                               
incapacitated adults receive  the care that they  deserve.  Under                                                               
the bill, the  Division of Occupational Licensing  would have the                                                               
authority to  revoke a  private guardian's  license if  he/she is                                                               
found to have abandoned, exploited,  abused, or neglected someone                                                               
in his/her  care, or [is shown  to be] unfit due  to professional                                                               
incompetence.  In conclusion, he said he supports the bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked whether HB 427  was modeled after                                                               
legislation in other states.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON said he believed so.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0928                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOSHUA FINK, Public Advocate, Anchorage  Office, Office of Public                                                               
Advocacy  (OPA),  Department  of  Administration  (DOA),  thanked                                                               
Representative  Anderson  for  introducing  HB  427,  calling  it                                                               
important legislation.  He went on to say:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     In  this  state   we  regulate  barbers,  hairdressers,                                                                    
     acupuncturists,  [and] ...  concert  promoters, but  we                                                                    
     don't regulate guardians and  conservators who ... take                                                                    
     care of  incapacitated and  vulnerable adults,  who are                                                                    
     in   positions  where   they  very   easily  could   be                                                                    
     exploited.   And we've had  some situations  of concern                                                                    
     over  the  past couple  of  years.   This  legislation,                                                                    
     which was modeled off of  pieces of Arizona's law [and]                                                                    
     Washington  [state's  law]  was  put  together  with  a                                                                    
     number of groups  ....  I do want to  say, I'm indebted                                                                    
     to  those people  I worked  with  - I  [only] ...  took                                                                    
     their   product  and   brought  it   to  Representative                                                                    
     Anderson ...,  [and] I am  grateful that  he introduced                                                                    
     that.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FINK, in  response to  a question,  explained that  Arizona,                                                               
Washington,  California,   and  Texas  have  laws   that  require                                                               
registration; those  laws were looked  at during  the development                                                               
of HB 427.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   directed  attention  to   Section  6,                                                               
regarding  the appointment  of  a guardian  ad  litem, and  asked                                                               
whether  it modifies  Rule 17(c)  of  the Alaska  Rules of  Civil                                                               
Procedure.   He opined that if  it does, then there  should be an                                                               
amendment to the title reflecting that.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINK  offered his belief  that the  bill does not  amend Rule                                                               
17(c)  of the  Alaska Rules  of Civil  Procedure, but  offered to                                                               
research that issue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG opined  that the  language on  page 11,                                                               
line  21,   takes  away  the  courts   discretion  regarding  the                                                               
appointment of a guardian ad litem.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0661                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  H. PARKER,  Assistant Public  Advocate, Anchorage  Office,                                                               
Office  of Public  Advocacy (OPA),  Department of  Administration                                                               
(DOA), offered  his belief  that although  Rule 17(c)  allows the                                                               
court to appoint  a guardian ad litem to sue  or defend on behalf                                                               
of a  infant or incompetent person,  Section 6 is not  creating a                                                               
right  for  a guardian  ad  litem;  instead, Section  6  modifies                                                               
existing  statute  -   Title  13  -  regarding   the  process  of                                                               
appointing  a guardian  ad litem  and  his/her primary  function.                                                               
Additionally, Rule 17(c)  says in part, "The  court shall appoint                                                               
a  guardian ad  litem for  an  infant or  incompetent person  not                                                               
otherwise represented in an action".   He offered his belief that                                                               
the bill doesn't modify Rule 17(c).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  pointed out,  however, that  Rule 17(c)                                                               
also says  in part "or  shall make such  other order as  it deems                                                               
proper",  and   opined  that  this   language  gives   the  court                                                               
discretion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE and  REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  mentioned that  the                                                               
committee  would be  requesting  an opinion  on  this issue  from                                                               
Legislative Legal and Research Services.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0556                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BETTY WELLS,  Member, Alaska  State Association  for Guardianship                                                               
and  Advocacy, Inc.  (ASAGA), relayed  that she  is chair  of the                                                               
task force  that sought assistance  from the various  groups that                                                               
developed  HB  427, that  she  is  affiliated with  the  National                                                               
Guardianship  Association,  Inc.,  that  she works  as  a  "court                                                               
visitor" in Anchorage and its  surrounding area, and that she has                                                               
been involved with  the issue of adult guardianship  for the last                                                               
15 years.  She went on to say:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I'm aware  that Alaska  is not  alone in  reviewing and                                                                    
     changing  the statutes  to  protect vulnerable  adults.                                                                    
     Although  most of  the changes  proposed  in this  bill                                                                    
     clarify current statutory  language and practice, there                                                                    
     is  now   legislation  proposed  to   regulate  private                                                                    
     agencies, and I believe that to  be a vital part of the                                                                    
     bill.   With some  abuse that we  uncovered in  a court                                                                    
     trial on the viability of  a private agency in 2001 and                                                                    
     in  2002,   we  discovered  that  we   really  couldn't                                                                    
     continue to  operate without some form  of registration                                                                    
     or licensure of private professional guardians.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Our current  statute leaves us  vulnerable to  a system                                                                    
     where   there  is   opportunity   for  corruption,   as                                                                    
     discovered  in our  own  court case.    And, as  stated                                                                    
     before,   there  are   no  regulations   providing  any                                                                    
     oversight to private guardianship  agencies.  The court                                                                    
     monitors  individual  guardianships, and  our  statutes                                                                    
     have     provisions     for    mandatory     reporting;                                                                    
     unfortunately,  it's  not  adequate for  the  oversight                                                                    
     that  we need.   Passing  this legislation  will assist                                                                    
     the  courts by  licensing professional  guardians.   It                                                                    
     will take  the question  of an  agency's qualifications                                                                    
     or viability out  of [the] court system  and allow them                                                                    
     to concentrate on the merits of each case.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I've learned  that Alaska is  a leader with  respect to                                                                    
     respondent's rights in adult  guardianship cases:  they                                                                    
     have the right to an attorney,  to a hearing, to a jury                                                                    
     trial  on the  issue  of incapacity;  [and]  we have  a                                                                    
     great  public guardianship  program for  those indigent                                                                    
     adults  who  qualify.   There  is  room,  however,  for                                                                    
     private agencies  in Alaska,  and [the]  ASAGA supports                                                                    
     the appointment  of private agencies  when appropriate.                                                                    
     By  mandating  regulations  and  the  establishment  of                                                                    
     professional standards,  Alaska will  continue to  be a                                                                    
     leader  with respect  to these  issues.   Passing  this                                                                    
     bill will go a long way  in putting the trust back into                                                                    
     the system.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. WELLS concluded:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     [The]  ASAGA   anticipates  only  a  small   number  of                                                                    
     licenses  will be  issued,  and  anticipates no  fiscal                                                                    
     note, as  the fees generated for  obtaining the license                                                                    
     will   cover  the   costs.     Licensure  will   ensure                                                                    
     continuing education in the  areas of guardianship, and                                                                    
     [the] ASAGA  already sponsors  at least  one conference                                                                    
     each  year,  where  people  can  get  their  continuing                                                                    
     [education].      The   bill  also   outlines   minimum                                                                    
     educational requirements for  families and friends that                                                                    
     wish  to   become  appointed.     I'd  like   to  thank                                                                    
     representative Anderson for sponsoring  HB 427, and the                                                                    
     [House Judiciary  Standing Committee] for  hearing this                                                                    
     bill and  [providing me with] the  opportunity to voice                                                                    
     my support.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0335                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  gave an  example of a  case in  which a                                                               
woman's former  attorney had  been appointed  as her  guardian ad                                                               
litem  even  though he  had  access  to confidential  information                                                               
about her and  ultimately used that information  against her, and                                                               
suggested that Section 6 might need to be altered to ensure that                                                                
such a person would be removed as a guardian ad litem because of                                                                
a conflict of interest.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PARKER offered:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I  can tell  you  what the  thinking  was behind  [this                                                                    
     proposed] amendment [to current  statute].  The statute                                                                    
     currently provides  for the  appointment of  a guardian                                                                    
     ad litem, but that is  the first thing that occurs with                                                                    
     the  appointment  of  an   attorney  to  represent  the                                                                    
     respondent,  and  the  attorney  is to  act  under  the                                                                    
     traditional attorney-client  model, where  the attorney                                                                    
     advocates for  the express wishes of  [his/her] client.                                                                    
     There   has   been,   nationally,  criticism   of   the                                                                    
     effectiveness  of  representation   of  respondents  in                                                                    
     guardianship  cases.     I  don't   think  we   have  a                                                                    
     tremendous problem  here, but  ... it [has]  been noted                                                                    
     that at  times there's  been a tendency  for attorneys,                                                                    
     when  they are  representing incapacitated  persons, to                                                                    
     advocate, not  for what the  client says, but  for what                                                                    
     they believe is in the client's best interest.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The feeling was  that this statute, as  it currently is                                                                    
     written, is  not clear enough that  the attorney should                                                                    
     act  as an  attorney unless  it is  impossible for  the                                                                    
     attorney   to  ascertain,   or   for   the  client   to                                                                    
     communicate,  what  their   wishes  or  preferences  or                                                                    
     desires  are  concerning the  issues  at  stake in  the                                                                    
     guardianship  case.   So  the way  we  would hope  this                                                                    
     would work is  that a person enter an  appearance as an                                                                    
     attorney or, more frequently,  they would be appointed,                                                                    
     because most attorneys  for respondents in guardianship                                                                    
     cases  are appointed.   When  they  visited with  their                                                                    
     client,  they   would  certainly  attempt  to   have  a                                                                    
     conversation  about the  issues  at hand  and what  the                                                                    
     client's position  would be.   But ... I can  tell you,                                                                    
     there are a certain number  of cases where a person ...                                                                    
     [is]  going to  be nonverbal  or perhaps  they're in  a                                                                    
     coma, and  at that point,  you simply cannot act  as an                                                                    
     attorney  in   the  traditional  sense,   where  you're                                                                    
     advocating for your client's wishes. ...                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PARKER continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     At  that  point,  it  would   be  appropriate  for  the                                                                    
     attorney to request that they  be treated as a guardian                                                                    
     ad litem, and then the  statute provides guidance as to                                                                    
     how  the analysis  should take  place [regarding]  what                                                                    
     the  attorney, who's  acting as  guardian ad  litem, is                                                                    
     going to advocate  for, and to make sure  that it's not                                                                    
     just  a matter  of  saying, "Well,  we  agree with  the                                                                    
     visitor's report," that  there is an inquiry.   But the                                                                    
     purpose of this legislation ...  is to clarify that ...                                                                    
     consistent  with your  ethical  duties, you  act as  an                                                                    
     attorney  representing  your  client's  wishes  despite                                                                    
     their  incapacity.    And  as you  know,  the  code  of                                                                    
     professional    responsibility   mandates    that   ...                                                                    
     attorneys treat their clients, and  act as attorneys to                                                                    
     the greatest extent possible, in  the ordinary way when                                                                    
     they have clients with incapacities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     It should  be noted  that in  the sanity  context, when                                                                    
     [an] attorney is appointed  to represent somebody who's                                                                    
     the subject of an  involuntary commitment petition, the                                                                    
     attorney acts as  an attorney and ...  I've never heard                                                                    
     of  (indisc.)  to guardian  ad  litem.   I  think  this                                                                    
     recognizes there  are situations  where there  needs to                                                                    
     be   a   guardian   ad  litem   appointed,   but   also                                                                    
     acknowledges  that  it's  a slippery  slope,  and  that                                                                    
     there  should be  more objective  standards about  when                                                                    
     you  do that  and it  should  be only  when you  cannot                                                                    
     ascertain your  client's position or your  client [is],                                                                    
     at  that  time,  incapable of  communicating  [his/her]                                                                    
     wishes. ...                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0152                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KENNETH  C. KIRK,  Attorney at  Law, Kenneth  Kirk &  Associates,                                                               
offered to address this issue as well.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG suggested  instead that  the interested                                                               
parties simply consider  the issue, adding that he  just wants to                                                               
ensure that the  court would not be able to  appoint someone as a                                                               
guardian  ad  litem  if  he/she   intended  to  use  confidential                                                               
information against his/her client.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. KIRK  offered his  belief that the  Alaska Rules  of Evidence                                                               
would  be  the appropriate  place  to  include language  to  that                                                               
effect.   After  noting that  he has  been involved  in a  lot of                                                               
conservatorship  and guardianship  appointments, he  relayed that                                                               
he has never  used guardian ad litem powers  except in situations                                                               
where the  client was  really not able  to express  a preference,                                                               
for  example, the  client was  comatose or  catatonic.   Short of                                                               
such  an inability,  he  opined, a  client  has a  constitutional                                                               
right  to be  represented by  an attorney  that will  act as  the                                                               
client wishes.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KIRK also  pointed out that Rule 1.14 of  the Alaska Rules of                                                               
Professional Conduct  speaks to  "the decisions the  attorney has                                                               
to  go through,  ethically, when  deciding whether  to ask  for a                                                               
representative  for   the  client   ...  in  a   guardianship  or                                                               
conservatorship  context, where  perhaps  the main  issue of  the                                                               
litigation  is whether  the person  is competent."   It  would be                                                               
problematical  under  Rule 1.14,  he  opined,  to turn  on  one's                                                               
client   as   portrayed  in   the   example   given  earlier   by                                                               
Representative Gruenberg.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0362                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KIRK, speaking to the bill, said:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I like this  bill except for one aspect  and that's ...                                                                    
     Sections 1-4,  which basically create a  new regulatory                                                                    
     regime for guardians and conservators.   It's not a bad                                                                    
     bill  in isolation,  and  if  we had  a  lot of  people                                                                    
     clamoring for  this kind  of work, I  think it'd  be an                                                                    
     excellent idea.  The problem  is, we don't; we are very                                                                    
     shorthanded. ...  Basically we  have two people  who do                                                                    
     private  guardianship  work  in the  greater  Anchorage                                                                    
     area and  I think  one other that  does conservatorship                                                                    
     work. ... To  put up additional barriers  to entry into                                                                    
     that field is a real problem.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     These provisions  are not  only going  to make  it more                                                                    
     difficult for  people to get  into ... this  thing, ...                                                                    
     [but] basically  you have  to come  up with  some money                                                                    
     and jump into it whole hog;  you wouldn't be able to go                                                                    
     into it sort of bit by  bit maybe while working at some                                                                    
     other  job  and  taking  a   few  of  these  cases  and                                                                    
     eventually  building up  a clientele.   And  it applies                                                                    
     even  if there's  only  one client.    For example,  if                                                                    
     [you]  have somebody  who needs  a lot  of guardianship                                                                    
     assistance and  has a friend  who's willing to  do that                                                                    
     but the  friend wants  to be  paid for  the substantial                                                                    
     commitment of  time, as  I read  the bill,  that person                                                                    
     would  have to  go  through and  qualify  as a  private                                                                    
     guardian if he's going to [get] paid for it.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     But  even aside  from that,  I'm just  really concerned                                                                    
     about [the  fact that] we  have enough  trouble getting                                                                    
     people to do  this kind of work; we already  have a way                                                                    
     -  basically [via]  the probate  court -  to make  sure                                                                    
     that people  who are incompetent or  unqualified or who                                                                    
     (indisc.) need  other necessities  - such as  posting a                                                                    
     bond if  necessary - are kept  out.  And so  I'd really                                                                    
     encourage  taking  out  Sections 1-4  and  the  various                                                                    
     other  references  in  the   other  sections  that  are                                                                    
     dependent on that.  Thank you.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  suggested that Sections  1-4 are "the crux  of the                                                               
bill."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINK agreed, and said he opposes deleting Sections 1-4.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0500                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PARKER  said he  disagrees  with  the suggestion  to  delete                                                               
Sections 1-4,  but acknowledged that  Mr. Kirk has a  valid point                                                               
regarding the  need for more private  guardians and conservators.                                                               
He opined  that Sections 1-4 are  the crux of the  bill and won't                                                               
place  onerous  burdens  on private  professional  guardians  and                                                               
conservators.   He noted that  proposed AS 08.26.010 says  that a                                                               
person may not engage in the  business of providing services as a                                                               
guardian or  conservator unless  the person has  a license  to do                                                               
so, and said he did not  think that receiving free room and board                                                               
for taking care  of a family member, for example,  qualifies as a                                                               
business,  though if  more specificity  is needed  regarding what                                                               
constitutes a business, then that could be addressed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  turned   attention   to  Section   6,                                                               
subsection (c), and indicated that  he still has concerns about a                                                               
person's former  attorney being appointed as  his/her guardian ad                                                               
litem, opining that  such would be a direct  conflict of interest                                                               
if the person is still able  to make his/her wishes known but the                                                               
attorney didn't  wish to follow  those wishes as an  attorney and                                                               
so  sought appointment  as the  person's guardian  ad litem.   He                                                               
asked whether language precluding such  ought to be added to that                                                               
provision.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PARKER offered  his  belief that  changing  the standard  of                                                               
appointment from  "when the ward  or respondent  cannot determine                                                               
the ward  or respondent's own  interests without  assistance", to                                                               
"when the  [ward, protected person,  or] respondent  is incapable                                                               
of determining  the ward's,  protected person's,  or respondent's                                                               
position   regarding  the   issues   involved   in  the   pending                                                               
proceedings",  will eliminate  the possibility  of a  conflict of                                                               
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FINK  said   that  if  the  respondent  can,   in  any  way,                                                               
communicate  with his/her  attorney,  then the  appointment of  a                                                               
guardian ad litem  is not appropriate, and such is  the intent of                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG indicated  that  his  concern has  been                                                               
satisfied by the remarks of Mr. Fink and Mr. Parker.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0845                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  moved to  report the  proposed CS  for HB
427, Version  23-LS1627\I, Bannister,  4/14/04, out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.   There  being no  objection, CSHB  427(JUD) was  reported                                                               
from the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                    

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